Ukraine Peace Proposal

The following is a peace proposal to end the escalating Ukrainian civil war drafted by Kate Pomeroy, a commentator here at Catcher In The Lie. I have provided this space for her to open the floor for debate and discussion about this important topic. I agree with Kate that those in positions of influence and power need to move past their stifling, obstinate, ego-bound myopia and find a way to bring peace to Ukraine. All the reasons why this is necessary have already been discussed ad nauseum at other venues. This excellent proposal is a great start to an end to conflict in Ukraine. Kate has informed she has forwarded this to world leaders and has unveiled it to The Saker and his audience over at The Vineyard of the Saker disappointingly receiving less than favorable feedback in return for her fine conscientious effort. As far as the world leaders are concerned, who knows, maybe a miracle will happen and they’ll take heed. We’ll see what happens. In the meantime, keeping an open mind as Kate so graciously suggests, review it and let Kate know your constructive thoughts.

(Preliminary Draft Condensed)

Author: Kathleen A. Rosser

July 12, 2014

Premise

The killing of the Donbass people must end.

To peacefully end the Ukrainian conflict, the following terms must be met. This agreement requires the signatures of 1) Petro Poroshenko; 2) designated leaders of the proclaimed Donetsk Lugansk republic, 3) Vladimir Putin or delegate; and delegates of 4) NATO, 5) the EU, and 6) the IMF.

Key Points

1. — The autonomous Donetsk Lugansk Region must be neutral.
2. — Ukraine and foreign military must immediately withdraw.
3. — Amnesty must be universal.
4. — Existing contracts remain in force.
5. — The IMF must comply regarding its loan requirements.
6. — Delay must be avoided.
7. — This agreement is self-enforcing.

1. Key Point: The autonomous Donetsk Lugansk Region must be neutral.

Requirement: Donetsk Lugansk must be designated an autonomous region within the nation of Ukraine. Autonomy must include 1) neutrality: neither NATO nor Russian military activities are allowed on Donetsk Lugansk soil; 2) a currency of choice; 3) control of airspace; 4) exemption from EU regulations; and 5) control of Russian border and trade.

Reason: The Kiev government fears that a fully independent Donetsk Lugansk would join the Russian Federation. This is unnacceptable to Kiev, the EU, and other factions with regional interests. Also, if Donetsk Lugansk is not given autonomy, the region’s leaders would continue the fight for independence. Moreover, if Donetsk Lugansk were not neutral, Russia might be unwilling to sign.

2. Key Point: Ukraine and foreign military must immediately withdraw.

Requirement: Upon ratification of this Plan, all Ukraine military forces will withdraw from Donetsk Lugansk and a surrounding buffer zone. All military personnel will be allowed to exit the region unhindered. All military equipment now held by Donetsk Lugansk defense forces will remain in their possession. Donetsk Lugansk will retain a militia, authorized to act within its borders. Russian or foreign citizens active in the military conflict will exit Ukraine or lay down arms.

Reason: Ukraine military withdrawal will automatically result in a ceasefire, since there will no longer be two opposing sides in the region. The Donetsk Lugansk defense forces will keep their arms, both to ensure near term security, and to support a militia. If not, the Donetsk Lugansk leaders would be reluctant to sign this agreement.

3. Key Point: Amnesty must be universal.

Requirement: Neither Poroshenko nor his administration or armed forces shall be indicted for crimes related to the 2014 Ukraine military conflict. No person in Donetsk Lugansk nor anywhere else shall be indicted for terrorism or other crimes related to this conflict.

Reason: If Poroshenko’s government faced a threat of indictment for war crimes, he might not sign an agreement. If anyone in Donetsk Lugansk could be indicted for terrorism or other related crimes, they would have to keep fighting to protect their lives.

4. Key Point: Existing contracts remain in force.

Requirement: All preexisting corporate contracts affecting land within the Donetsk Lugansk Region must remain in force.

Reason: If oil or gas contracts or leases were nullified, this would be unacceptable to factions with major regional interests. These factions would then exert influence to stop ratification of the agreement.

5. Key Point: The IMF must comply regarding its loan requirements.

Requirement: The IMF must not require that loans to the Kiev government be contingent on a fully unified Ukraine, but must be willing to honor a peace settlement with an autonomous Donetsk Lugansk.

Reason: if an IMF loan is contingent upon full unification, the Kiev government may see no choice but to keep fighting.

6. Key Point: Delay must be avoided.

Requirement: Talks on reparations or referendums for other regions are separate from this agreement. This Plan is not contingent on reparations or the future status of any region other than Donetsk and Lugansk.

Reason: To address these complex issues here could delay ratification.

7. Key Point: This agreement is self-enforcing.

Requirement: This agreement is self enforcing. No foreign party will conduct peace keeping actions, and no region will enforce compliance on another region. This does not preclude the presence of neutral observers.

Reason: If foreign or domestic forces carried out peace keeping actions, this might exacerbate tensions and carry the risk of enlargement of the conflict. Each signatory acknowledges that compliance is in their best interests.

8. Additional Requirements Related To Keypoints

a. — NATO must not conduct military or other activities in Donetsk                                         Lugansk (see item 2).

b. — NATO must not conduct military or other activities in Donetsk                                          Lugansk (see item 2).

c. — The Russian Federation must not conduct military activities in                                          Donetsk Lugansk (see item 2).

This Peace Plan expires (July 30, 2024).

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15 thoughts on “Ukraine Peace Proposal

  1. Well, Kate, I’m disappointed in the lack of discussion thus far, but I’m not surprised. It pretty much proves the point we’ve been discussing on the other thread that instead of wanting peace and an end to conflict, the various actors and pundits (I consider The Saker and his ilk pundits for lack of a better term) prefer to further escalate the conflict through self-righteous chastisement and condemnation. Let those without sin throw the first stone and all that jazz. As we can see, that maxim is seldom if ever applied, especially when it involves inculcating a civil war that’s in everyone’s favor except for the Small People who are caught in the crossfire and never asked for or wanted a civil war.

    I posted a link to this peace proposal at both Ian Welsh‘s blog and Moon of Alabama blog. It’s generating traffic per WordPress statistics, but no one can be bothered to stoop so low as to discuss it at this space or to discuss it at all — presumably because they have no interest in a possible peace since conflict provides a venue and platform for them to hate.

    I want to hear from a wide and diversified cross-section of Ukrainians on this issue because ultimately it should be what they want — you know, the Small People who’s wishes and aspirations always get overlooked in these matters. This blog does experience consistent visits from a Ukraine connection almost daily but this person or persons has chosen to remain silent. If you’re reading this sir or madam, please chime in and have your fellow countrymen chime in so we in the rest of the world can know what you think and feel about this matter. We, at least Kate and I for now, don’t want you to die for the vested interests of others who don’t have your best interests at heart. I’m offering you a more global voice. Take advantage of it and speak up. Get your fellow countrymen to speak up. You can use my blog as that platform to be heard. The more you do, the more notice your voice will receive and perhaps, even though the odds are slim, you can influence the outcome of events as they relate to your country in a very direct way.

    Kate, throughout the day I will be posting my many thoughts related to your Ukraine Peace Proposal. I just wanted to preface it with what I’ve said above.

  2. Catcher,

    Unfortunately for you and yours, we’ve all evidently taken you at your word. You’re a liar!

    Sorry for that, just kidding.

    But not sure why you’re still pursuing this anyway. Proposals for peace? Are you kidding?

    First of all, this is an entirely US MIC imposed “event” in the first place. There’s nothing going on in Ukraine that couldn’t be stopped tomorrow if the US MIC and its interests would simply cease and desist. Are you fucking daft?

    Peace proposal? How about the US and it’s many interests simply cease and desist? Today. Right now. This fucking instant. How about that for a “proposal?” PERIOD. OVER. SAID. DONE!

    Sometimes “hard” is actually “easy,” except for the dumb-asses who insist on making it otherwise.

    For one who seems so intent on “catching lies,” it remains perplexing to me how you could continue to perpetuate so many.

    Nonetheless, all the best,

    Disaffected

    • Didn’t you read the “Don’t Feed The Bears” sign upon entering? You’re serving me up a slow-pitch softball with your comment.

      We’ll start with a definition that describes your condition and the condition of so many others as it relates to the perception of socio-economics and geopolitics. Overwhelming complexity has this effect on most people. A few of us, very few, have developed an ability to get beyond it. It is a major impediment to any peace proposal and process.

      my·op·ic [mahy-op-ik, –oh-pik]

      adjective

      1.Ophthalmology . pertaining to or having myopia; nearsighted.

      2.unable or unwilling to act prudently; shortsighted.

      3.lacking tolerance or understanding; narrow-minded.

  3. Kate, this doesn’t bode well for your peace proposal and the peace process. I found this comment at The Vineyard of the Saker. Couple it with disaffected’s myopic, cop-out scapegoat attitude, and we can see where all this is heading — and it’s in the opposite direction of peace. Even if this inculcated civil war is a coordinated effort by the WWON (World Wide Oligarch Network), it’s imperative that those of us who aren’t part of that network push for peace and have as our goal the mitigation of suffering both short-term and long-term. The person who wrote the following comment wants to ensure further suffering and massive bloodshed. The exact opposite of what we’re trying to accomplish here with this blog post.

    Anonymous said…

    A Test for Ukraine in a City Retaken From Rebels

    With the city now back in government hands and the Ukrainian military advancing steadily against other nearby settlements that had fallen earlier this year to the pro-Russian cause, Slovyansk has become a test of whether the central government in Kiev can both win on the battlefield and win back the loyalties of its rebellious east.

    Acting like nazis..

    As it struggles to secure the consent, if not yet the trust, of Slovyansk’s largely ethnic Russian population, Ukraine has found that its best weapon has been provided by the rebels themselves — a legacy of violent thuggery and chaos that alienated just about everyone.

    “It was a horror, a total horror,” said Arkady Glushenko, the chief surgeon at the Lenin Hospital, the city’s biggest. “Nobody wants a repeat of that.”

    Another powerful tool in the hands of the Ukrainian authorities is the fear many residents have of retribution for their collaboration with the toppled pro-Russian leadership.

    The new authorities, promising anonymity, have set up a hotline for residents to inform on rebel collaborators, and they have printed fliers warning that a new law mandates up to 15 years in jail for separatism. “Of course people are afraid,” Dr. Glushenko said. “They are frightened of being punished.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/world/europe/a-test-for-ukraine-in-slovyansk-city-retaken-from-pro-russian-rebels.html?ref=world

    There is NO WAY to clean this BS,but to invade and destroy one and for all,the Nazi junta,put the US/CIA out of the country,and make an exemple,the message being:do NEVER try this anymore in our background.

    02 August, 2014 03:34

  4. Now for some technicalities, Kate.

    In the following quote from the Ukraine Peace Proposal you call out one name specifically to sign the document and all others are given the option of “designated leaders of” or “delegate(s) of” as signatories to the binding agreement. That specific name is Petro Poroshenko. This could be considered bias creeping into this proposal, so I believe it should be reworded to say “1) current designated leader(s) of Ukraine, 2) current designated leader(s) of the proclaimed Donetsk Lugansk republic”

    Also, by stating it as I suggest and including a proviso that requires when leadership of either Ukraine or the proclaimed Donetsk Lugansk republic changes hands through election or otherwise, the Ukraine Peace Proposal must be revisited and renewed to include the new leadership as signatories until its expiration in 2024.

    What do you think of this suggestion?

    To peacefully end the Ukrainian conflict, the following terms must be met. This agreement requires the signatures of 1) Petro Poroshenko; 2) designated leaders of the proclaimed Donetsk Lugansk republic, 3) Vladimir Putin or delegate; and delegates of 4) NATO, 5) the EU, and 6) the IMF.

  5. Anonymous said:

    . destroy one and for all
    . and make an exemple
    . do NEVER try this anymore
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    There is one thing that can be said with certainty about Anonymous:
    English is not his first language.

    • Ha! There are many things that can be said with certainty about Anonymous in addition to what you’ve mentioned about its native tongue.

      Do you have any guesses as to that native tongue? I’m going with a hybrid of Russian, Ukrainian and Conniption.

      I’m surprised you haven’t ripped mfi’s blog post to shreds over at Ian Stirling Ireland Lang Simeone Celsius Welch‘s blog considering it is peppered with all manner of grammatical errors. I had to stop reading it about ten percent of the way through the grammar was so error-strewn. I thought of you as I was reading it. I thought, “this is like a bucket-full of raw chicken placed before the grammar gator, Q.Shtik. He’s going to ravage it.” But there was nothing — not a peep, and I’m like “what’s up wit dat?”

  6. Disaffected said, “Peace proposal? How about the US and it’s many interests simply cease and desist? Today. Right now”

    Excellent point. The question is, operationally, how do we get the US and its many interests to cease and desist? And for that matter, how do we get the IMF, the EU, and the energy barons, some of them European, with shale gas contracts and other interests in the area to cease and desist? This Peace Proposal was designed to get past these very obstacles. If anyone sees a better way, please suggest it.

    Why bother with Peace Proposals? Because innocent people are dying.

    To Catcher: I agree, your wording “1) current designated leader(s) of Ukraine, 2) current designated leader(s) of the proclaimed Donetsk Lugansk republic” is better. Thanks for the suggestion.

    • Excellent point.

      But that wasn’t his entire point, therefore it’s not excellent. And even that statement is still only partially correct in achieving peace. He said, in case you’ve forgotten or overlooked it:

      this is an entirely US MIC imposed “event” in the first place

      That is not true. For certain, The West to include America has meddled but the extent of that meddling isn’t nearly as intense as the anti-American, pro-Russian bloggers and commentators (the Fifth Estate punditry) portray it to be. Russia’s involvement is much more significant than The West’s involvement. Considering that, for peace to have any chance, your statement to disaffected should read as follows:

      The question is, operationally, how do we get the US and its many interests to cease and desist? And for that matter, how do we get the IMF, the EU, and the energy barons, some of them European and Russian, with shale gas contracts and other interests in the area to cease and desist? And last but certainly not least by any means, how do we get Russia and its many interests to cease and desist?

      Oh yeah, one other thing. This Ukraine Peace Proposal mentions nothing about Crimea. What happened in Crimea was a bloodless takeover and annexation. The elections that took place could hardly be called fair and representative.

  7. To Catcher,

    You said, “And last but certainly not least by any means, how do we get Russia and its many interests to cease and desist?”

    The Peace Proposal explicitly states that Russian military forces must withdraw from the region, and that no Russian military operations shall take place there. It also states that other regions of Ukraine are not to be considered in this Proposal, as delay must be avoided.

    Thank you immensely for your wonderful presentation of the Peace Proposal.

  8. @ Cold N.
    8/4/14 over at Clusterfuck Nation

    “Such abuse of important terms like this eviscerates crucial distinctions and conflates every incident and event into a homologous, indiscernible, miasmatic stew of feckless condemnation.”
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    Whew, that sentence is a mouthful (had to look up homologous)…but I like it. I get your drift though; inaccurate terminology destroys truth. Just the other day someone over at CFN said that Gaza is “the most crowded place on earth.” Well, no. Hudson County, NJ, for example, contains 5.1% greater population per square mile than Gaza. There are probably even more dense places.

    Someone else, complaining about what we did to the native American Indians, said that we had “crammed” them into the reservations. I did some checking. There are hundreds of reservations…too many for me to do statistically valid research on but I looked up Taos Pueblo, a place I had visited some years ago. It has 80.9 people per square mile. Hudson County, NJ has 13,731 per square mile. Totally at random, I pointed my finger at a reservation in Montana (I forget its name). It has less than 1/3rd of a person per square mile. Gaza has 13,064 people per square mile. If these two reservations are in any way representative, whatever other inhumanities may have been heaped on American Indians, “cramming” isn’t one of them.

    Commenters use hyperbole or they flat out lie so as to lead you toward accepting their pet beliefs.

    • Commenters use hyperbole or they flat out lie so as to lead you toward accepting their pet beliefs.

      Truth.

      Your native American Indian example is a perfect correlation to Gaza precisely because the bleeding hearts who care so much have it backwards. Native American Indian reservations aren’t like Gaza, Gaza’s more like a native American Indian reservation — at least operationally. I will explain in the post I’ve been promising for a couple of months now, Redskins In The Game. I also promise you’ll love it. It’s about as in-your-face to these raving hypocrites as one can possibly get.

      As for most densely populated city with one of the largest populations in the world, Mumbai wins the award. I read a book about a decade back by an Asian Indian who lived there and it was quite graphic about what life was really like in Bombay. Not for the faint of heart. According to the author, it is not uncommon to see people squatting down and pissing or shitting right there in the street depending on where you are. That’s just one example of a litany of things about the city that would make your skin crawl. I can’t remember the name of the book, but if I recollect, it had Mumbai in the title.

      List of cities proper by population

  9. “As for most densely populated city with one of the largest populations in the world, Mumbai wins the award.”
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    The list of cities you linked to shows several to be more densely populated than Mumbai. Dhaka is 42% more dense. Both have 12+ million populations.

    As to shitting anywhere you damn well please I recommend An Area of Darkness by V.S. Naipaul. William Dalrymple (sp?) also discusses the “toilet” practices of India in his book City of Djinns.

    I am told by people who have recently visited Mumbai that when the plane door is thrown open for exiting the craft the odor that accosts you “could knock a buzzard off a shit pile.”

    • The list of cities you linked to shows several to be more densely populated than Mumbai. Dhaka is 42% more dense. Both have 12+ million populations.

      You’re correct. I was looking at the wrong population number for Dhaka when I was scanning the list. I was basing it off of a hybrid of total population and density. I saw Dhaka’s density as higher than Mumbai’s, but I read Dhaka’s population as lower than what the list reveals. Maybe I was looking at the city above or below it in reading the population number.

      Either way, it’s a hell of lot of people per square foot, and I don’t believe I’ll be visiting or moving to either of those places any time soon if ever.

      Thanks for the book suggestions. I’ve researched An Area of Darkness by V.S. Naipaul and it appears it may be right down my alley. I might just put it on my list.

      I am told by people who have recently visited Mumbai that when the plane door is thrown open for exiting the craft the odor that accosts you “could knock a buzzard off a shit pile.”

      Ha! Have you ever had the opportunity to be in a city or locale in proximity to a paper mill? I have, and it’s absolutely putrid and nauseating. In fact, so bad sometimes it will kill your appetite.

      • Ha! Have you ever had the opportunity to be in a city or locale in proximity to a paper mill?
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        Cedar Rapids, Iowa has some sort of mill (cereal, I think) and in the heat and humidity of August it could make you swoon. I have been there on biz visiting Rockwell Collins on several occasions.

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