I’ve been receiving a lot of email communication from folks in Ukraine so I’ve decided to post one from Dima in East Ukraine. Compare and contrast it with what The Saker over at The Vineyard of the Saker is providing in regards to “analysis.”
Dear Mr. coldenfeld,
You are with much thanks for yor blog catcher of fly. joy is much you bring to me and mine for said things yor blog. The Sucker of the barnyard of the forsaken is evil man. Hell will he go. he is dirty liar. Comments to suckers ugly blog too liars. No respect they have ukrainians. Russians think they better. Russians not better Ukrainians. All equal. most russians liars.
ukrainians not fighting ukrainians. Russian want Ukrainians kill ukrainians. Ukrainians won’t. russia send murders to ukraine to kill ukraines and blame Київ. these mercenary are enemie. me family and neighbors kill them when we get chance. ask that all ukraines do same. kill invaders from russian. they want kill us. we protect our people. we not like kill. but we kill to protect ukraines. to protect home. to protect town. to protect city. to protect country.
we share much russia with. In lot of common. share culture. but not same. like. not exact match. we not mind russian neighbor. we not want be russia. russia stay in russia borders. ukraine stay in ukraine border. Ukraine not russia. never.
news not truth. not so much fighting. people shop. ukraines go to work. ukraines live normal. sometimes gunfire. not so much. sometimes smoke and booms. not so much. russian mercs all places. just appear. not from here. We kill them one by one. butcher them like pigs. putin send. little man must pay. Uses Ukrainians as shields. cowards. hide behind women and children. provoke Київ attack ukraines east. blame on Київ.
airstrike was putin. not ukraine jets. russian missiles. blame Київ.
ukraines not must let russian win. russian and putin cheaters. cowards. play dirty. never believe russian. some honest. only few. most liars.
Many young want free ukraine. old ones like russian. think better pension. putin lies. pensions not be better. old ones listen not. young ones help kill russian mercs. chechens love war. they only know murder. come to ukraine to murder. we kill them. one at a time now. soon three four five six more at time. they will leave. in body bags. in coffins. go home cowards. don’t come cowards.
thank you mr. Coldenfeld understanding. lies everywhere. No one true. we talk soon.
Wow! This pretty much underscores everything I’ve been saying all along and it corroborates this latest Daily Beast article. Per the link:
Mom and Pop on Ukraine’s Battle Line
As separatists fight to open up a secure corridor to Russia, peace-loving families find themselves thrust into the middle of a worsening civil war.
Almost every night the civil war comes right to the doorstep of the Ivanovs’ house and hits the core of the couple’s deep contradictions: she, a Ukrainian, adores Russia and he, a Russian, is a Ukrainian patriot, sympathizing with the pro-European Maidan revolution. But their political views do not matter now. A local hospital, where both Tatyana and their daughter, Yulia, work as nurses, receives wounded every week, both from the ranks of Ukrainian border guards and from rebel forces. At home, war has focused their attention on that most Ukrainian of treasures: a larder of homegrown preserves.
On Sunday night, both spouses woke up first at 2:00 a.m. and then again at 5:00 a.m. because of artillery shelling. Holding hands, they thought about what to do about their life on the front line, on Mira Street in the town of Amvrosyevka.
The Ivanovs are not naïve people; they realize that their cozy, beloved house is sitting just a few miles away from the Russian border, next to gas pipes, the world’s energy arteries and cause of modern wars, right between a Ukrainian paratroopers’ base and a camp of pro-Russian rebels fighting for the control of the Donetsk highway—another strategic objective unfortunately near.
Since last week, fighting has grown increasingly fierce near the Russian border, suggesting rebels want to open a corridor. On Monday, at 4:00 a.m., rebels attacked a base of Ukrainian troops in the Mirny district of Luhansk. A local woman, Yana Osadcha, said that first she heard rifle shots and explosions, then military jets began to circle over her neighborhood.
“We heard aviation attacking both of the terrorists’ checkpoint on the highway between Luhansk and the Russian border,” Osadcha told me. “There was a big explosion at the seized administrative building—pro-Russian rebels say Ukrainian jets fired at them and the Ukrainian military deny that. Finally, many people hope the rebels will be smoked out of town.”
The explosion on the fourth floor of the seized Luhansk administration building killed five people. On the video posted by lifenews.ru, rebels were collecting the remains of their friends. Earlier on Monday, the Russian parliament supported a proposal by the foreign ministry to create “humanitarian corridors” for civilians who want to flee Ukraine.
After 2:00 p.m., the shootings quieted down in Luhansk, and local reports said that rebel snipers occupied roofs and apartment buildings in Yuzhnoye district, not far from the Ukrainian base.
Meanwhile, in the Ivanovs’ home town of Amvrosyevka, local rebels from the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, supported by volunteers recruited from Russia, attacked border guards and soldiers from the 25th Paratroopers Brigade.
“We’ve entered the stage of a real guerilla war,” said Alexander Chernikov, a former journalist from Dnepropetrovsk, who is now serving as an officer with the border guards. “The radicals are focused on the border troops right now, fighting to create a green light from Avakovo on the border with Russia, to Luhansk,” he told The Daily Beast on Monday.
As Tatyana and I talked about her family’s future, her beautiful smile faded from her face. She described the way she and Igor watched the Donetsk flag go up and down the flagpole in front of their window. “Every May 9 I was watching the Victory Day parade on Russian television feeling proud of Putin, and hoping the happy Soviet times could return,” she said, “but not at this price, not at the price of Ukrainian people’s lives.”
As a nurse, Tatyana said, she despises the horrors of war and the violence visited on the bodies of the people she sees. She misses the times when she and Igor threw parties for 30 people in their front room, she said. So many things are missing now, first of all peace.
Igor grew more emotional as we spoke. Like many others in the breakaway Donetsk Republic, he criticized the leaders for their confused ideas: first, they pushed for federalization and an independent republic as a part of Ukraine, and now they stand for some even more confusing idea, of a new state called Novorossia, that Igor has trouble understanding. “If they raised a Ukrainian flag on that flagpole, many more people would have joined their movement—we could be pro-Russian but still remain patriots of Ukraine,” he said.
The future for Ivanov’s family and millions of other families in the eastern regions of Urkaine called Donbass becomes more uncertain by day.
The Kremlin clearly did not want to annex Donbass, as it did Crimea, perhaps because a majority of Russians in Russia reject the idea. Polls by the Levada Analytical Center show the number of Russians sympathizing with the idea of making the Donbass breakaway republics a part of Mother Russia shrank from 35 percent in April down to 26 percent in May. Yet Donbass will not be left in peace, either.
I have to say, I don’t blame Dima and his neighbors for killing these cowards. Take a look at that scumbag in the picture at the link. I’d kill him too — immediately. He is no good. An invader. Like the Nazis in Denmark. If you’ve never seen the excellent Danish movie Flame and Citron, you must. Here’s a clip to give you a taste.
The Danish Resistance didn’t take it sitting down. They fought back with everything they had at their disposal with hardly any help from the outside world. The same predicament the East Ukrainian Resistance is confronted with now in Russia’s proxy invasion and occupation. The outside world doesn’t have their backs. They’re going to have to do it alone, but at least some like Dima are taking a stand to protect what is rightfully their’s. It’s not as though Obama & Company are going to help. They’re playing their part in this Kabuki Theater to destroy Ukraine — or to allow Russia to destroy it and turn it into vassal mafia statelets run by murderous, cowardly thugs. This article from The Washington Post sums it up nicely. All you have to do is read between the lines. Remember last post when I said Russia has a backdoor to controlling American policy via Israel and its lobby? Well, it sure does explain the following per the link:
The West shows no willingness to defend freedom against Russia
UKRAINE’S NEWLY elected president, Petro Poroshenko, got a pledge of support from President Obama in Warsaw yesterday. But in the struggle over Ukraine’s future, Vladimir Putin was looking like the day’s winner. As Mr. Obama delivered another speech in Warsaw on the defense of freedom, Russian-backed forces were staging a major offensive in the Ukrainian province of Luhansk, where they overran a border command-and-control center and a national guard base. According to NATO’s supreme commander, U.S. Gen. Philip M. Breedlove, the insurgents were “very well led, very well financed [and] very well organized” by Russia.
Mr. Putin’s proxies are tightening their grip over Luhansk and the adjacent province of Donetsk in fighting that has steadily escalated since Mr. Poroshenko’s election. Yet Mr. Putin not only has paid no price for the aggression — threatened U.S. and European Union sanctions remain on hold — but he was on his way Wednesday to D-Day celebrations in France, where he was invited to meet with the leaders of Britain, France and Germany. Mr. Obama, too, was talking up “the importance of maintaining good relations with Russia” and his hope to “rebuild some of the trust” with Moscow in coming months.
So Mr. Putin has a foothold in eastern Ukraine, and he is firmly in control of Crimea. A substantial number of Russian troops are still camped on Ukraine’s borders, and irregular fighters and arms are pouring across. But the Russian leader is back to being courted by Western leaders, who are pushing Mr. Poroshenko to find a way to satisfy the Kremlin’s demands.
And what of the defense of freedom, about which Mr. Obama spoke at Warsaw’s Castle Square? The president and his European partners are going only so far as they perceive they can without unduly upsetting Mr. Putin. Mr. Obama announced a $1 billion initiative for additional military maneuvers with Polish and other Central European countries and the prepositioning of equipment — but sidestepped Poland’s request for permanent U.S. or NATO bases on its territory.
Mr. Poroshenko said last week that he hoped for an extensive “lend-lease” program from the United States that would supply the ragtag Ukrainian army with the weapons and training it needs to defeat the Russian-backed forces. He got a promise from Mr. Obama of $5 million in non-lethal equipment, including radios and goggles. It would have been less insulting to have offered nothing.
Mr. Obama and German Chancellor Angela Merkel announced last month that if Russia disrupted Ukraine’s elections it would be subjected to sanctions aimed at key sectors of its economy. When Russian-backed forces then prevented voting in most of Luhansk and Donetsk, which contain 15 percent of the Ukrainian electorate, the Western leaders decided their line had not been crossed. On Wednesday, Mr. Obama and Ms. Merkel set a new test: Mr. Putin must recognize and negotiate with the Poroshenko government, stop the flow of weapons from Russia into Ukraine and induce the rebels to lay down their arms. Otherwise, they warned, the sanctions would be applied.
Mr. Putin will no doubt judge the latest threat according to the rigor with which the last one was enforced. He has not given up his strategy of using force to undermine Ukraine’s stability and to compromise its independence. Given the West’s wobbly response, why would he?
Dima’s email is just one of so many I receive from Ukrainians since I’ve started writing about this topic. They’re appreciative that someone sees it their way. They feel they don’t have a voice in any of this and the mainstream and alternative media have completely misrepresented them and the situation. They’re good people. They’re strong people. They’ve been put in an impossible predicament — yet again. They’re coping as best they can. Some are fighting back by seeing the True Enemy (HBO — you’re long overdue) and targeting it for expulsion and/or extinction. Some are protecting their community, their homes and their families and loved ones because that’s what you do when you’re under attack from another country that you now know is your enemy.
In keeping with his/its cowardly character, Putin and the Kremlin have engaged an army of cyber provocateurs to haunt Western comment sections in an effort to turn Americans against themselves as Putin’s Russia tyrannically unites under false pretenses. Take a look at Kunstler’s blog this week. His space is crawling with these cretins sent to demoralize Americans with incessant threats of Collapse. There will be no Collapse — only productive paralysis for the naive dopes who swallow the anti-American pro-Russian propaganda deposited in the comment sections of Western blogs. Once again, The Washington Post in this article by Caitlin Dewey is out front in calling out Russia for its devious and deceptive connivance.
Hunting for paid Russian trolls in the Washington Post comments section
Since April, Russia has spent thousands of dollars amassing a “troll army” to torment American social networking and news sites, per a pair of stories that ran on Buzzfeed this week.
The trolls are, allegedly, legion. They’re foul-mouthed and irritable. They’re funded by an online marketing firm with very distant ties to the Kremlin. And they are, according to Buzzfeed, operating in the Post’s comment section — as well as the New York Times’, CNN’s and the Huffington Post’s.
The Post hasn’t, for the record, been able to conclusively verify Buzzfeed’s reporting or review the original documents from an “anonymous hacker collective” that reporter Max Seddon cited in his story. Nevertheless, we couldn’t let these simultaneously menacing and hilarious allegations of overseas trolling stand! And so, armed with some healthy skepticism and the descriptions of the trolls’ behavior in Seddon’s piece, I — along with the Post’s commenting overlords, Julia Carpenter and Beth Butler — set off to hunt some trolls.
The Russian trolls, per Buzzfeed, generally share a couple of telltale characteristics. They are, it should go without saying, (a) Russian and (b) trolls, a.k.a. commenters who engage in off-topic provocation for no apparent reason besides giving moderators like Beth and Julia headaches. Their English tends to be poor, with syntactical and grammatical errors characteristic of native Russian speakers. And they always engage on one of a set list of topics, which include — predictably — Ukraine, President Obama and LGBT rights.
Sure enough, we found a few commenters who seemed to fit the bill. Like this user, commenting on an article about Obama’s dismissal of Russian territorial claims:
Halloo, egghead! Let’s go! “Oink-oink-oink-oink-oink …” hahaha-haha-ha…..))))))))))) [He then launches into an anti-American screed in Russian.]
Or another commenter, who twice left the same response to an article about Ukraine:
But we are millions here, all Russian, we do not like to kiss *** of the western superiors of Ukrainian candy president. We want to be part of mother impire. What about us?
A third suspicious user was banned from the Post’s forums after making multiple comments in Russian and then posting a Social Security number, in violation of Post policies.
By and large, however, these trolls weren’t any trollier than some of the other more disruptive denizens of the Post’s comments section, most of whom provide their services — we assume — for free. In fact, while a few of the apparent trolls had comments deleted for violating Post policies, the group as a whole never stood out from the other commenters the Post flags daily. (… which, come to think of it, may say something profound about the caliber of online discourse.)
“We didn’t immediately pluck them out from the crowd as mastermind spies,” is how Julia put it.
This is all anecdotal, of course, but it supports observations that have been made about similar international trolling efforts before. It certainly merits comparison to the U.S. State Department’s “Digital Outreach Team,” which dedicates itself largely to trolling jihadists in Arabic, Punjabi, Somali and Urdu-language forums, as well as on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.
So far, reviews of that program have been pretty mediocre: a 2012 study concluded that the team’s efforts did very little to change the tone of anti-American conversations. In fact, on the whole, users were vastly more likely to ridicule or refute the American trolls than to actually converse with them. It would seem the Post’s Russian trolls have met much the same fate.
“The Obama administration should encourage itself to keep it’s nose away from Russian-Ukrainian relations,” wrote one. One minute later, another user had already countered.
“Not going to happen, buddy.”
Here’s some Wanted posters, Dima. Print them out and spread them around. Make these mercenary cowards fight on two fronts, or three. Let them know their mission means their sure death, and if that’s what they really want, then by all means, be the gracious host and give it to them.