…..when you can welcome an invasion and subsequent annexation. Or at least that appears to be the thinking of the hard Right in the United States with their fawning embrace and unflagging support of Vladimir Putin. I must give credit where credit is due. Regardless of who or what deposited this comment at Kunstler’s latest blog post at Clusterfuck Nation, it was some rare and appreciated sanity at that ordinarily insane space. Here’s what the avatar/screen name Buck Stud had to say:
I don’t know what to think of Paul Craig Roberts. He seems to have an ear to the ground – no doubt about that. But I wonder about ‘his eye’ in terms of preconception and bias. His current ‘Putin is a school boy, Obama a bully puppet’ mantra seems a good example of that. And not to imply that he doesn’t paint an entertaining picture, but it seems to me (again, only my impression and opinion; I could be very wrong), it’s a picture already painted in his head, without having to go outdoors and actually experience and apprehend the infinite variety and spur-of-the-moment idiosyncrasy that Nature offers and human life mirrors. In short, his narrative seems geared to a certain audience. And his promo image does nothing to dissuade me from that notion: Is that Thomas Jefferson behind PCR who is posing proudly in a noble three quarter view? I can’t really tell; all those old white guys with long, gray hair look the same to me. But what a marketing angle, enveloping oneself in the philosophical emanations of Founding Father sfumato, their misty spirits no doubt infusing and informing the mind and fingertips of PCR as he types out one predictable anti U.S.A. piece after another.
Bravo! Yes! Well said you studly buck. I mean, if Putin isn’t paying these people to carry his water, he should be. If he’s not reimbursing them for their zealous efforts on his behalf, how graciously unselfish of these fine upstanding people to provide their services free-of-charge. NOT!!
I know how you feel, Buck. It’s nuts. If the tables were turned, and these treasonous and traitorous freaks were in Russia embracing Obama whilst flogging Putin, you can be certain they wouldn’t be for long. In short order, or even sooner, they’d be disappeared. And they welcome that mentality, I suppose because they think their alleged enemies will be disappeared…but you see, it never quite works out that way. The perceived enemy of your perceived enemy is not your perceived friend. But try telling “them” that. “They” won’t hear it. Their love for Putin has blinded them. They’re Lovestruck. And their love becomes a funeral pyre.
Another avatar/screen name at Clusterfuck Nation, BackRowHeckler, raised a great point about embracing and supporting perceived enemies of your perceived enemies. It doesn’t end well. It’s a failed strategy––and yet it persists. BRH mentioned how quite a few prominent names in the early part of the 20th Century emigrated from the United States to the Soviet Union in their support of Stalin and his benighted brand of Communism. BRH, in this excellent post, said the following:
Do you think Edward Snowden reads books? And has a sense of history? Or is he a man of the new millenium, a tech guy who doesn’t need any stinking books. Books are a relic of the past.
That’s too bad (for him) I ran across one at a flea market that might pertain to his situation, “The Forsaken”, by film maker and author Tim Tzoulaidis. It tells the story of the tens of thousand of American communists, socialists, utopianists, do gooders and all around seekers who left the US in the 20s and 30s for the workers paradise in the Soviet Union. Many brought their families.
To make a long story short, the lucky ones were shot in the Lubyanka and in the killing pits outside Moscow, Leningrad etc. The unfortunates ended up being worked to death in the camps at Vorkuta and Kolyma (the gulag, where millions perished) Of course Stalin had american help covering up these crimes in the form of entertainer Paul Robeson, reporter Will Duranty and US Ambassador Joe Davies.
If tensions heat up between the US and Russia, will Snowden be treated as some kind of hero, or will he be looked at as a traitor and interloper, easily dispatched once all he knows has been extracted.
In answer to your question BRH, no, I don’t think Snowden is a reader and studier of history, but PCR is, and so too are a whole host of others on the Right and hard Right who despite their reading and studying of history are repeating the same mistakes. So much for reading history. It’s obvious reading and learning are two distinct, but overlapping, functions. With some, apparently the Right and hard Right in this case, there isn’t much functional overlap. Well-read, in their case, doesn’t equal critically-thinking. The only change I’d make to BRH’s comment is to apply it more broadly to that percentage of the Right and hard Right that’s embraced the tyrannical Putin in their hatred of “that Nigger” in the White House. “That Nigger” in the White House isn’t to be confused with Black people’s “our Nigger” in the White House, even though it’s the same flesh and blood man. Obama is so many things to so many people, I don’t think there is a True Obama (yet another one for HBO) that transcends all the misguided perceptions. He’s whatever the hell you want him to be.
Pursuant to these observations, I’ve been involved in further research at another blog commenting as another poster, kyooshtik. It’s in honor of the fallen Q. Shtik avatar/screen name at Clusterfuck Nation with whom I had such a wonderful relationship. The operator of it is pissed no doubt. I got that screen name good. Sorry. NOT!! Them’s the breaks. It’s all part of the game, right? So, anyway, I’ve been posting over at Colonel Pat Lang’s blog, Sic Semper Tyrannis as kyooshtik. My posting at first was fairly benign and non-confrontational. I was feeling the place out. Observing the sentiment. Taking in the patterns. And finally, yesterday, I tested the limits. I ran up against what I’ve been discussing thus far in this post. It’s a prime and pertinent example. Here’s a link to the post that started it all. Per the link, Pat Lang posted, as a blog post, the following comment from the avatar Jersey Jeffersonian (who also posts at Moon of Alabama, FYI):
Playing with fire, the vainglorious ass, Obama, has derided Russia by calling it merely a “regional powerWell, maybe, but it’s a mighty damn big “region” and a well-armed “regional power” that has had a belly full of being pushed into a corner by ahistorical Jacobin asses such as our Maximal Leader. Great thumping words, President Obama, you posturing fool. So now it seems that not only must we hope for the counsels of restraint from Gen. Dempsey, but we must also hope for a policy of levelheadedness and unemotional situational awareness from President Putin and his advisors. Because for sure we are not seeing any of those admirable character traits on display from our own Misleaders, North American or European. I spent the days of my youth with the ultimate Sword of Damocles, nuclear war, suspended balefully over my head. And now these feckless buffoons casually toy with this again? Tell me who the grownups are again, please. – Jersey Jeffersonian
“The Sea of FaithWas once, too, at the full, and round earth’s shore
Lay like the folds of a bright girdle furl’d.
But now I only hearIts melancholy, long, withdrawing roar,
Retreating, to the breath
Of the night-wind, down the vast edges drear
And naked shingles of the world.” Matthew Arnold
I figured this was as good a time as any to find the boundaries of Lang’s tightly-controlled blog. Here’s my initial response:
I don’t see what the big deal is in Obama calling Russia a regional power. This isn’t surprising. It was alright for Putin to scoff nonchalantly at Obama’s sanctions, but it’s perilous gamesmanship if Obama nonchalantly marginalizes Putin’s and Russia’s global significance?
I really think they’re trying to lure Putin into invading the remainder of Ukraine and having him choke on a long, bloody occupation. If he wants to play in a Man’s world, he has to pay a Man’s price. No more grandstanding on the periphery. His limits are being tested. Can he survive a Ukrainian invasion and occupation? I don’t think so, but I will say I’m not going to cower and be frightened of this potential madman. I don’t think he’s one, but from the sounds of this post the admonition is we should tread lightly with this man because he may be unhinged and psychotic. Well, if that’s the case, isn’t it Putin that should be the target of a future assassination, not Snowden? If Putin is potentially unhinged and unpredictable…so much so if he’s pushed beyond a certain point he’ll push those nuclear buttons, then he has to go, right?
For the record, I don’t think nuclear war is in the cards or even a remote possibility at this point. Obama laughed the notion off when the LaRouche goof accused him of trying to start a nuclear war in the press conference several weeks prior. And I don’t think Putin is that stupid or unhinged or psychotic. But he does have an ego…one larger than the power his country can back up, and I do believe he is going to bite off more than he can chew.
He’s no spring chicken. His aging despite work to the contrary and if he wants to make a name for himself in history, now is his time. What he thinks will be the defining pinnacle of his illustrious career may well be instead his nadir.
Obama’s playing great chess right now. I have to give him credit.
Needless to say, I was attacked almost immediately. By the former Head of Human Intelligence. Here’s what the “retired” spy had to say in response:
“For the record, I don’t think nuclear war is in the cards or even a remote possibility at this point.” What’s your level of toleration for the risk of nuclear war? 1%, 2%, 3%. What is it? Would you describe yourself as a neocon? Are you an anti Russian Ukrainian or other partisan? Were you ever in the US military or IC? pl
Sorry he screwed up the spelling of the name. It made me laugh out loud. I suppose he thought he was insulting me with that strategy. No, Colonel. You were insulting the sock operator over at Clusterfuck Nation who lost one of his avatars through his/her carelessness, not me.
Well, since the Colonel asked me some questions with his insulting post, I felt obliged to respond. I replied as follows:
I just don’t see nuclear war manifesting. What would prompt it? A limited squabble in Ukraine where there are several thousand deaths on both sides isn’t going to spark a nuclear war. If the U.S,, or NATO, were to invade Russia proper or Russia were to invade a NATO country, yes, that would be potential grounds for a nuclear war, but let’s be honest, that’s not going to happen. Am I a Neocon? Not on your life. Did I serve in the military? Irrelevant to my observed opinion.
I’m an American who will get my President’s back, regardless of whether I like him or agree with him, before I get the tyrannical leader of another country’s back. I consider the latter treasonous. I am not a traitor. I am an equal opportunity critic. Putin’s a bully boy with too much unchecked power and a Western chip on his shoulder. He may be an expert chess player, but he’s obviously insecure and it shows.
I will say, my opinion is evolving as anyone’s should. A month and a half ago, I thought nuclear war was possible. Today, I don’t.
This really got Lang’s dander up and he fired back like a foaming-at-the-mouth rabid dog as follows:
I am not interested in running a salon for idle chatter so it matters to me if you have any “skin in the game.” Have you ever put your ass on the line for the United States or have you just talked about things like this in college bull sessions?
“I consider the latter treasonous.” You need to brush up on the concept of treason in American constitutional tradition. And if you ever say or imply anything like that about me or anyone here you will be permanently gone from here. “regardless of whether I like him or agree with him” Or agree with him. I doubt that you are an American. Supporting policy that you think is wrong is the antithesis of American tradition.
To return to the matter immediately at hand, you believe that there could be a conventional engagement in Ukraine between NATO forces and those of Russia without an escalation to nuclear weapons? If you do believe that I have to tell you that all planning in the Cold War contingency of a Soviet offensive into Germany expected that if one side seemed likely to be defeated such an escalation was all but inevitable. pl
This is too funny! Really, it is. Satire writ large. Speaking of “skin in the game” since that’s a prerequisite for commenting about the Ukraine and nuclear war at Lang’s blog even though it’s not explicitly stated, does working for Stratfor suffice as “skin in the game?” One of Lang’s favored posters, Babak Makkinejad, at least according to Wikileaks, is an informer for Stratfor. Per Wikileaks Global Intelligence Files here, we see our “skin in the game” friend Babak is in communication with Stratfor. Gee, I wonder how many others at Lang’s blog are affiliated with Stratfor or any other organization of that nature. Skin in the game. Indeed. Per the link:
On Monday February 27th, 2012, WikiLeaks began publishing The Global Intelligence Files, over five million e-mails from the Texas headquartered “global intelligence” company Stratfor. The e-mails date between July 2004 and late December 2011. They reveal the inner workings of a company that fronts as an intelligence publisher, but provides confidential intelligence services to large corporations, such as Bhopal’s Dow Chemical Co., Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and government agencies, including the US Department of Homeland Security, the US Marines and the US Defence Intelligence Agency. The emails show Stratfor’s web of informers, pay-off structure, payment laundering techniques and psychological methods.
FW: Red October: Russia, Iran and Iraq
From: Babak Makkinejad [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 4:02 PM
Subject: Red October: Russia, Iran and Iraq
I think that Georgia and the Baltic States are not worth that much to
Ukraine is a divided country between anti-Russian Catholics in the West
and the Eastern Orthodox Ukrainians & Russians in the East. It can be
easily destabilized and broken up into two pieces; a rump Ukraine and a
larger piece joining Russia. My point is that Russia can do all that
without needing US permission.
I think you have something with the ABM Treaty – 20 years ago that treaty
was a major concern for USSR; it might still be so today.
In regards to Iran and Russia: there have been simulations of oil prices
under which an overproducing Saud Arabia bankrupted the Russian oil
producers. For the life of me, I cannot see Russians permitting Iran to
fall under the control of US. Then US will have political control over
the oil production of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar. This
is a strategic threat to Russia as well as to India and China.
I agree with you that a short war between US and Iran is in the strategic
interests of Russia, China, and possibly India. Russians (and Chinese)
will then pickup Iran on the cheap since she has no place else to go. US,
Iran, and EU would be the great losers but for various reasons.
The US choices have always been predicated on the understanding that Iran
is not worth it (“it” being the price to be paid to other states). I do
not see that having changed. So I am led to conclude that US will turn
down Russia’s offer.
I guess you could say, “what do you expect from the blog of a former spy, let alone a spy chief?” And you’re right. It’s precisely what I would expect. So, how far does the disinformation go? Is it a honey trap for Anti-Americanism? A limited hang of some sort? A lure for potential treasonous traitors? Or is Lang truly retired and just a grumpy old senile hack? Whatever it is, his blog carries the meme discussed earlier in this post.
Finally, I’ll leave you with this link to a great post that underscores all of this. I could have written it myself, and almost did, until I found this first. The author captured it perfectly. I couldn’t have done a better job. It’s so good, I’m reproducing it in its entirety with proper attribution to its critically-minded author.
Vladimir Putin could make a credible run be the Republican nominee for President n 2016. In some ways, he would be a near perfect candidate for the non-Paul Republicans and he should consider it seriously.
There is the problem of his non-native birth of course. But don’t we already have a precedent set by the current occupant of the White House? The Evil Liberals and their compliant lap dogs in the Main Stream Media have already installed a Kenyan as President, haven’t they? They have concocted an amazing conspiracy including obviously phony stories of birth announcements in the local Hawaiian newspapers, doctored birth certificates and so forth. And hasn’t Donald Trump told us that his investigators have turned up information that even they can’t believe?
If the Evil Liberals can pull this off, imagine what all of the truthful, righteous, fair, balanced and completely unbiased right wing media outlets could do! Is a Putin presidency really so far-fetched?
If Putin could enlist Fox News, Brietbart, Matt Drudge, PJ Media, Orley Taitz, Donald Trump (of course), Red States, the Koch brothers and the thousands of drooling right wing bloggers who are right now sitting in front of their Internet machines sputtering and fuming about the Kenyan-Marxist-Communist-Nazi-Satan Incarnate and Destroyer-of-Liberty, then anything is possible, right? He does have a funny name, but certainly no funnier than Barak. And he is, after all, white.
I know that Putin would have some trouble with the English-only crowd, but Putin’s English is already better than Sarah Palin’s and they love her.
And then there is gun control. The NRA is not going to be very happy about this, but given his other compelling attributes and qualifications, I am sure something can be worked out.
So let’s consider Vladimir’s qualifications.
First of all, he is trustworthy. George W. Bush said so.
Secondly, he is a manly man. He doesn’t wear mom jeans! He wrestles bears! He drills for oil (drill, baby, drill)! Sarah Palin swoons.
He is anti-gay. He has unleashed violent thugs to commit violence against LGBT people, all with government sanction! He is a Lion of Christianity! We await with glee the fate of the Muslim minorities in Crimea.
He does not tolerate freedom of speech or any form of dissent. Pussy Riot goes to jail! Journalists disappear and are killed!
He is unconcerned with income inequality. In fact—he enables it. The Russian Oligarchs rule with impunity, pay no (or very few taxes) enriching themselves beyond imagination, while the Russian economy delvers a staggering 1% growth rate! In that Russia is a rotting kleptocracracy, Putin has already delivered the kind of corrupt state that we are heading for—only he got there first. A man truly ahead of his time.
The Koch brothers must be weeping with with envy.
Putin is a real leader. Matt Drudge, Rudy Giuliani, Matt Barber, Pat Buchanan, Sarah Palin and Sean Hannity say so.
I will close this post with two observations that should seal the deal: Franklin Graham, the scion of the revered evangelist Billy, wishes that Obama were more like Putin. And Bryan Fisher with that “Lion of Christianity” business. That should settle down the religious right.
Finally, Austin Ruse, a Catholic lay leader of some sort, believes that liberals should be taken out and shot.
Sounds like a Putin voter to me.
So get on board! Do you feel the momentum?